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>>>ALL RIGHT.>>>ALL RIGHT. JOINING US NOW A REPORTER FOR JOINING US NOW A REPORTER FOR THE “WASHINGTON POST” EMMA THE “WASHINGTON POST” EMMA BROWN. BROWN. EMMA WROTE THE “WASHINGTON POST” EMMA WROTE THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORT REVEALING CHRISTINE REPORT REVEALING CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AS THE AUTHOR OF A BLASEY FORD AS THE AUTHOR OF A CONFIDENTIAL LETTER THAT ACCESS CONFIDENTIAL LETTER THAT ACCESS SUPREME COURT NO, MA’AM ME BRETT SUPREME COURT NO, MA’AM ME BRETT KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL ASSAULT MORE KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL ASSAULT MORE THAN THREE DECADES AGO WHEN THEY THAN THREE DECADES AGO WHEN THEY WERE BOTH HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WERE BOTH HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN MARYLAND. IN MARYLAND. WELCOME TO THE SHOW. WELCOME TO THE SHOW. EMMA, I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, EMMA, I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, JUST GIVE US THE BACKGROUND. JUST GIVE US THE BACKGROUND. HOW DID THE INTERVIEW COME HOW DID THE INTERVIEW COME ABOUT? ABOUT? WHY DID SHE DECIDE TO COME WHY DID SHE DECIDE TO COME FORWARD? FORWARD? I UNDERSTAND SHE CALLED THE I UNDERSTAND SHE CALLED THE “WASHINGTON POST” TIP LINE A FEW “WASHINGTON POST” TIP LINE A FEW MONTHS AGO? MONTHS AGO?>>YES, SHE SENT A TEXT TO OUR>>YES, SHE SENT A TEXT TO OUR TIP LINE IN EARLY JULY AND SHE TIP LINE IN EARLY JULY AND SHE AND I TALKED THEN AND SHE — SHE AND I TALKED THEN AND SHE — SHE EVEN THEN REALLY DIDN’T WANT TO EVEN THEN REALLY DIDN’T WANT TO COME FORWARD, SHE JUST REALLY COME FORWARD, SHE JUST REALLY WANTED SOMEBODY TO KNOW WHAT HAD WANTED SOMEBODY TO KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER, SHE SAID. HAPPENED TO HER, SHE SAID. AROUND THAT SAME TIME SHE AROUND THAT SAME TIME SHE CONTACTED A CONGRESS PERSON, CONTACTED A CONGRESS PERSON, TOO, AND TOLD THAT PERSON AND TOO, AND TOLD THAT PERSON AND WASN’T READY TO COME FORWARD. WASN’T READY TO COME FORWARD. SO OVER THE SUMMER SHE STRUGGLED SO OVER THE SUMMER SHE STRUGGLED AND RIDE TO FIGURE OUT BASICALLY AND RIDE TO FIGURE OUT BASICALLY WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO WITH WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION. THIS INFORMATION. SHE SAID SHE HAD A CIVIC DUTY TO SHE SAID SHE HAD A CIVIC DUTY TO TELL IT, BUT SHE ALSO UNDERSTOOD TELL IT, BUT SHE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS GOING TO MEAN, YOU THAT IT WAS GOING TO MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF SHE CAME FORWARD IT WAS KNOW, IF SHE CAME FORWARD IT WAS GOING TO CHANGE HER LIFE. GOING TO CHANGE HER LIFE.>>AND SO WHY DID SHE COME>>AND SO WHY DID SHE COME FORWARD NOW? FORWARD NOW?>>SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS>>SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS STARTED TO LEAK LAST WEEK STARTED TO LEAK LAST WEEK PEOPLE — THE INTERCEPT REPORTED PEOPLE — THE INTERCEPT REPORTED THAT THERE WAS A SECRET DOCUMENT THAT THERE WAS A SECRET DOCUMENT AND THEN THERE WERE FURTHER AND THEN THERE WERE FURTHER REPORTS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE REPORTS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN TO LETTER THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN TO FEINSTEIN. FEINSTEIN. REPORTERS WERE STARTING TO SHOW REPORTERS WERE STARTING TO SHOW UP AT HER DOOR, AT HER UP AT HER DOOR, AT HER WORKPLACE, SHE FELT HER PRIVACY WORKPLACE, SHE FELT HER PRIVACY WAS ALREADY BEING CHIPPED AWAY WAS ALREADY BEING CHIPPED AWAY AT. AT. SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID TO SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID TO ME THESE ARE THE ILLS I WAS ME THESE ARE THE ILLS I WAS TRYING TO AVOID ANYWAY SO NOW TRYING TO AVOID ANYWAY SO NOW HER CALCULATION SHIFTED SHE SAID HER CALCULATION SHIFTED SHE SAID AND SHE WAS READY TO COME AND SHE WAS READY TO COME FORWARD. FORWARD.>>KASIE HUNT HAS A QUESTION FOR>>KASIE HUNT HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU. KASIE? KASIE?>>EMMA, I’M NOT SURE IF YOU>>EMMA, I’M NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD HAVE SPOKEN TO HER YET WOULD HAVE SPOKEN TO HER YET ABOUT THIS, BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY ABOUT THIS, BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR THAT AT LEAST ON THE CLEAR THAT AT LEAST ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THE PRESSURE IS REPUBLICAN SIDE THE PRESSURE IS GOING TO INCREASE FOR DR. FORD GOING TO INCREASE FOR DR. FORD TO TESTIFY ON CAPITOL HILL, TO TO TESTIFY ON CAPITOL HILL, TO APPEAR IN PUBLIC TO TELL THE APPEAR IN PUBLIC TO TELL THE COMMITTEE HER STORY. COMMITTEE HER STORY. IS SHE WILLING TO DO THAT? IS SHE WILLING TO DO THAT?>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO>>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THAT QUESTION. I DIDN’T ASK IT TO HER WHEN WE I DIDN’T ASK IT TO HER WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH HER STORY AND WERE GOING THROUGH HER STORY AND I STILL DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO I STILL DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THAT QUESTION. I MEAN, I THINK SHE’S ALREADY I MEAN, I THINK SHE’S ALREADY MADE A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE TO MADE A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE TO COME FORWARD WITH HER NAME, BUT COME FORWARD WITH HER NAME, BUT I THINK IT’S ANOTHER SORT OF I THINK IT’S ANOTHER SORT OF HURDLE TO COME FORWARD AND BE HURDLE TO COME FORWARD AND BE QUESTIONED PUBLICLY, SO I DON’T QUESTIONED PUBLICLY, SO I DON’T KNOW. KNOW. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HER INTENTION I DON’T KNOW WHAT HER INTENTION IS AT THIS POINT. IS AT THIS POINT.>>SURE.>>SURE. WAS THERE A CONVERSATION WITH WAS THERE A CONVERSATION WITH HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD BE LIKELY? WOULD BE LIKELY? I KNOW SHE CLEARLY DID A LOT OF I KNOW SHE CLEARLY DID A LOT OF WORK WITH HER ATTORNEY, TAKING WORK WITH HER ATTORNEY, TAKING THE POLYGRAPH TEST, IS THIS THE POLYGRAPH TEST, IS THIS SOMETHING SHE HAS GRAPPLED WITH SOMETHING SHE HAS GRAPPLED WITH AT ALL, THIS POSSIBILITY OF THE AT ALL, THIS POSSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, REALLY THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, REALLY THE LIKELIHOOD? LIKELIHOOD?>>I’M SURE HER LEGAL TEAM HAS>>I’M SURE HER LEGAL TEAM HAS TALKED TO HER ABOUT THE TALKED TO HER ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF COMING FORWARD. IMPLICATIONS OF COMING FORWARD. THAT IS NOT A DISCUSSION THAT I THAT IS NOT A DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH HER. HAD WITH HER. I WAS THERE TO TALK WITH HER I WAS THERE TO TALK WITH HER ABOUT HER STORY AND TRY TO ABOUT HER STORY AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND IT SO THAT WE COULD PUBLISH THE STORY. PUBLISH THE STORY.>>AND A LOT OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO>>AND A LOT OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE VEILED IN HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE VEILED IN THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ATTEMPT THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ATTEMPT TO GO TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT TO GO TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW IT APPLIES TO HAPPENED AND HOW IT APPLIES TO TODAY. TODAY. BENJAMIN WITTES, I’D LIKE TO GO BENJAMIN WITTES, I’D LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOU ON THIS POINT BACK TO YOU ON THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT BECAUSE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THIS IS FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO THIS IS FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RESOLVE. RESOLVE. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?>>WELL, IT’S OBVIOUSLY>>WELL, IT’S OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE IMPOSSIBLE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERSTATEMENT, BUT BIT OF AN OVERSTATEMENT, BUT IT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE. IT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE. SO THE ALLEGATIONS ARE QUITE SO THE ALLEGATIONS ARE QUITE OLD, THERE ARE — THERE IS NO OLD, THERE ARE — THERE IS NO CONTEMPORANEOUS WITNESS THAT CONTEMPORANEOUS WITNESS THAT THE — THAT DR. FORD IS THE — THAT DR. FORD IS SUPPOSEDLY TOLD AT THE TIME, SUPPOSEDLY TOLD AT THE TIME, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU USE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, YOU USE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, ASSESS CREDIBILITY. ASSESS CREDIBILITY. THE EARLIEST SHE APPEARS TO HAVE THE EARLIEST SHE APPEARS TO HAVE TOLD ANYBODY WAS IN 2012. TOLD ANYBODY WAS IN 2012. NONE OF WHICH MEANS THAT WHAT NONE OF WHICH MEANS THAT WHAT SHE’S SAYING ISN’T TRUE, OF SHE’S SAYING ISN’T TRUE, OF COURSE. COURSE.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>IT JUST MEANS THAT IT’S HARD>>IT JUST MEANS THAT IT’S HARD TO VALIDATE. TO VALIDATE. AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU’RE LEFT AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU’RE LEFT WITH IS — OH, AND THEN THERE WITH IS — OH, AND THEN THERE ARE — AND THIS IS TO HER ARE — AND THIS IS TO HER CREDIT, SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT CREDIT, SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE’S KIND OF A LOT SHE THERE’S KIND OF A LOT SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER 35 YEARS LATER. DOESN’T REMEMBER 35 YEARS LATER. SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITHIN THE SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITHIN THE FOUR CORNERS OF HER STORY FOUR CORNERS OF HER STORY SOMEBODY WHO IS DISINCLINED TO SOMEBODY WHO IS DISINCLINED TO BELIEVE IT HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT BELIEVE IT HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ASK. OF QUESTIONS TO ASK. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS I THINK THAT SO, I MEAN, I GUESS I THINK THAT THERE’S — AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE’S — AT THE END OF THE DAY IT’S GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO IT’S GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO PUT TOGETHER A KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A KIND OF AUTHORITATIVE STORY OF THIS AUTHORITATIVE STORY OF THIS EITHER ONE THAT SAYS A PERSON EITHER ONE THAT SAYS A PERSON CAME FORWARD, MADE AN ALLEGATION CAME FORWARD, MADE AN ALLEGATION AND WE STUDIED IT AND IT LACKS AND WE STUDIED IT AND IT LACKS MERIT, OR ONE THAT SAYS, YOU MERIT, OR ONE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS PERSON WAS — KNOW, HEY, THIS PERSON WAS — BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS, YOU KNOW, BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS, YOU KNOW, CREDIBLY AND AUTHORITATIVELY CREDIBLY AND AUTHORITATIVELY ACCUSED OF GROSS MISCONDUCT. ACCUSED OF GROSS MISCONDUCT. THAT MEANS, I THINK, AT THE END THAT MEANS, I THINK, AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT MOST SENATORS OR OF THE DAY THAT MOST SENATORS OR SENATORS WHO AREN’T ALREADY SENATORS WHO AREN’T ALREADY DECIDED ARE GOING TO HAVE A KIND DECIDED ARE GOING TO HAVE A KIND OF GUT INSTINCT CALL TO MAKE OF GUT INSTINCT CALL TO MAKE ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT TO — YOU ABOUT WHERE THEY WANT TO — YOU KNOW, WHAT SIDE THEY WANT TO ERR KNOW, WHAT SIDE THEY WANT TO ERR ON. ON. THAT’S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE THAT’S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION FOR THOSE SENATORS. SITUATION FOR THOSE SENATORS.>>AND ULTIMATELY AND THIS WILL>>AND ULTIMATELY AND THIS WILL BRING US BACK TO EMMA, BUT, BRING US BACK TO EMMA, BUT, BENJAMIN, PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY AT BENJAMIN, PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY AT TIMES LOOK TO THE LAW FOR TIMES LOOK TO THE LAW FOR PARAMETERS AS TO HOW TO PUT PARAMETERS AS TO HOW TO PUT SOMETHING INTO CONTEXT AND THERE SOMETHING INTO CONTEXT AND THERE ARE REASONS, CORRECT ME IF I’M ARE REASONS, CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG, FOR STATUTES OF WRONG, FOR STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS. LIMITATIONS. IT’S WHY I ASKED YOU EARLIER IF IT’S WHY I ASKED YOU EARLIER IF THERE ARE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS THERE ARE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS HERE AND YOU SAID, NO, THERE ARE HERE AND YOU SAID, NO, THERE ARE NONE. NONE. COULD SHE — COULD HE BE COULD SHE — COULD HE BE CHARGED? CHARGED? I DON’T THINK SO. I DON’T THINK SO. COULD HE? COULD HE?>>CERTAINLY NOT.>>CERTAINLY NOT.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>THE ONE — AND ONE THING>>THE ONE — AND ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, STATUTES OF THAT, YOU KNOW, STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS, HOWEVER, DON’T LIMITATIONS, HOWEVER, DON’T APPLY TO IS THE QUESTION OF APPLY TO IS THE QUESTION OF SHOULD YOU BE ELEVATED FROM ONE, SHOULD YOU BE ELEVATED FROM ONE, YOU KNOW, LIFETIME APPOINTMENT YOU KNOW, LIFETIME APPOINTMENT ON THE D.C. CIRCUIT OF APPEALS ON THE D.C. CIRCUIT OF APPEALS TO A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT ON THE TO A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT ON THE SUPREME COURT. SUPREME COURT. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO POSSIBLE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES HERE POSSIBLE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES HERE DOESN’T — YOU KNOW, DOESN’T DOESN’T — YOU KNOW, DOESN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU SHOULD — A SENATOR SHOULD YOU SHOULD — A SENATOR SHOULD SUPPORT HIS ELEVATION, WHICH IS SUPPORT HIS ELEVATION, WHICH IS REALLY A QUESTION THAT DOESN’T REALLY A QUESTION THAT DOESN’T HAVE A LEGAL ANSWER. HAVE A LEGAL ANSWER. IT JUST HAS, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF IT JUST HAS, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF OATH OF OFFICE AND OATH OF OFFICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO VOTERS KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO VOTERS KIND OF ANSWER. ANSWER.>>SO, JOHN, EMMA TALKED ABOUT>>SO, JOHN, EMMA TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS OBVIOUSLY THAT DR. THE CONCERNS OBVIOUSLY THAT DR. FORD HAD ABOUT COMING FORWARD. FORD HAD ABOUT COMING FORWARD. MY GOSH, WHAT ARE THE MY GOSH, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE TRUMP WHITE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES HOUSE, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPUBLICANS FOR BEING SEEN FOR REPUBLICANS FOR BEING SEEN GOING AFTER HER, ATTACKING THIS GOING AFTER HER, ATTACKING THIS WOMAN WHO CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS WOMAN WHO CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS ATTACKED AND FEARED FOR HER LIFE ATTACKED AND FEARED FOR HER LIFE 30 SOMETHING YEARS AGO? 30 SOMETHING YEARS AGO? IT SEEMS — IT DOES NOT SEEM IT SEEMS — IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A POSSIBILITY EVEN IN THE LIKE A POSSIBILITY EVEN IN THE ANYONE OF TRUMP, DOES IT? ANYONE OF TRUMP, DOES IT?>>WELL, THERE HAS BEEN>>WELL, THERE HAS BEEN REPORTING THAT SUGGESTS IN THE REPORTING THAT SUGGESTS IN THE LAST 24 HOURS SOME WHITE HOUSE LAST 24 HOURS SOME WHITE HOUSE SOURCES IN VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS SOURCES IN VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS THAT HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THAT’S THAT HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO EXACTLY WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO. DO.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>I WILL WAIT AND SEE WHETHER>>I WILL WAIT AND SEE WHETHER THAT HAPPENS OR NOT. THAT HAPPENS OR NOT. IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE IN THE IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE NOT CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE NOT JUST — I DON’T MEAN JUST IN THE JUST — I DON’T MEAN JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT CONTEXT OF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT’S HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING THAT’S HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, I MEAN IN A MOMENT WHERE YEAR, I MEAN IN A MOMENT WHERE THE BIGGEST POLITICAL PROBLEM THE BIGGEST POLITICAL PROBLEM THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE AND THIS THAT THIS WHITE HOUSE AND THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE IS WITH REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE IS WITH FEMALE VOTERS BROADLY SPEAKING FEMALE VOTERS BROADLY SPEAKING AND WITH THE SUBURBAN FEMALE AND WITH THE SUBURBAN FEMALE WOMEN OF BOTH — OF BOTH WHITE WOMEN OF BOTH — OF BOTH WHITE SUBURBAN COLLEGE EDUCATED SUBURBAN COLLEGE EDUCATED FEMALES AND ALSO THE VAST ARRAY FEMALES AND ALSO THE VAST ARRAY OF NONWHITE WOMEN WHO MAKE UP OF NONWHITE WOMEN WHO MAKE UP SUCH A BIG PART OF THE SUCH A BIG PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE, FURTHER DEMOCRATIC BASE, FURTHER ALIENATING THEM WOULD BE A HUGE ALIENATING THEM WOULD BE A HUGE POLITICAL PROBLEM. POLITICAL PROBLEM. I WANT TO ASK EMMA BROWN THIS I WANT TO ASK EMMA BROWN THIS QUESTION. QUESTION. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK JUDGE, SOMEONE WHO IS THE JUDGE, SOMEONE WHO IS THE OTHER — ACCORDING TO THE OTHER — ACCORDING TO THE ALLEGED VICTIM HERE — THE OTHER ALLEGED VICTIM HERE — THE OTHER PERSON WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHO PERSON WHO WAS IN THE ROOM WHO HAS GIVEN A STATEMENT OR AN HAS GIVEN A STATEMENT OR AN INTERVIEW THE END OF LAST WEEK, INTERVIEW THE END OF LAST WEEK, I DON’T BELIEVE TALKED TO YOU, I DON’T BELIEVE TALKED TO YOU, BUT YOU MAKE SOME — WHAT MAY BUT YOU MAKE SOME — WHAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE RELEVANT POINTS TURN OUT TO BE RELEVANT POINTS ABOUT MARK JUDGE’S ABOUT MARK JUDGE’S CONTEMPORANEOUS EXPERIENCES IN CONTEMPORANEOUS EXPERIENCES IN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE ARE THE TIME FRAME THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. TALKING ABOUT.>>YEAH, HE — DID HE NOT SPEAK>>YEAH, HE — DID HE NOT SPEAK TO ME OR COMMENT FOR MY STORY, TO ME OR COMMENT FOR MY STORY, BUT — AND HAS STRONGLY DENIED BUT — AND HAS STRONGLY DENIED THAT THIS OCCURRED. THAT THIS OCCURRED. HE IS AN AUTHOR AND A FILMMAKER HE IS AN AUTHOR AND A FILMMAKER AND ONE OF THE BOOKS HE WROTE IS AND ONE OF THE BOOKS HE WROTE IS CALLED “WASTED: TALES OF A GEN X CALLED “WASTED: TALES OF A GEN X DRUNK.” DRUNK.” HE WRITES ABOUT PARTYING AT HE WRITES ABOUT PARTYING AT GEORGETOWN PREP AND ABOUT HIS GEORGETOWN PREP AND ABOUT HIS OWN DRINKING TO THE POINT OF OWN DRINKING TO THE POINT OF BLACKING OUT NOT KNOWING HOW HE BLACKING OUT NOT KNOWING HOW HE GOT TO WHERE HE WOKE UP. GOT TO WHERE HE WOKE UP. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS PERHAPS RELEVANT IF YOU, YOU PERHAPS RELEVANT IF YOU, YOU KNOW — THIS STORY THAT KNOW — THIS STORY THAT CHRISTINE FORD HAS TOLD IS THAT CHRISTINE FORD HAS TOLD IS THAT BOTH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND MARK BOTH BRETT KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE WERE STUMBLING DRUNK WHEN JUDGE WERE STUMBLING DRUNK WHEN THIS EPISODE OCCURRED. THIS EPISODE OCCURRED. SO I GUESS THERE IS A QUESTION SO I GUESS THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT WOULD EITHER OF THEM ABOUT WOULD EITHER OF THEM REMEMBER THIS INCIDENT IF THEY REMEMBER THIS INCIDENT IF THEY WERE THAT DRUNK. WERE THAT DRUNK.>>EMMA BROWN OF THE “WASHINGTON>>EMMA BROWN OF THE “WASHINGTON POST,” THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POST,” THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORTING THIS MORNING. YOUR REPORTING THIS MORNING.>>THANKS.>>THANKS.>>JOE?>>JOE?>>LET’S BRING IN DONNY DEUTSCH.>>LET’S BRING IN DONNY DEUTSCH. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, LET’S TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE LET’S TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS THE DECISION, THESE ARE THE IS THE DECISION, THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT MITCH McCONNELL AND FACTORS THAT MITCH McCONNELL AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND LISA THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND LISA MURKOWSKI AND SUSAN COLLINS ARE MURKOWSKI AND SUSAN COLLINS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH. GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH. EVEN IF BENJAMIN WITTES IS EVEN IF BENJAMIN WITTES IS CORRECT AND I THINK MOST WOULD CORRECT AND I THINK MOST WOULD SAY HE IS CORRECT THAT FINDING SAY HE IS CORRECT THAT FINDING THE TRUTH IN THIS INSTANCE IS THE TRUTH IN THIS INSTANCE IS FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RESOLVE FACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RESOLVE OR CLOSE TO IT, EVEN IF THIS OR CLOSE TO IT, EVEN IF THIS WERE A HE SAID/SHE SAID WERE A HE SAID/SHE SAID HAPPENING THAT OCCURRED OVER 30 HAPPENING THAT OCCURRED OVER 30 YEARS AGO, THAT KAVANAUGH HAS YEARS AGO, THAT KAVANAUGH HAS DENIED, THAT FORD HAS TALKED DENIED, THAT FORD HAS TALKED ABOUT EMPHATICALLY, EVEN IF ABOUT EMPHATICALLY, EVEN IF EVERYTHING FACTUALLY THE WAY THE EVERYTHING FACTUALLY THE WAY THE DEMOCRATS WAITED, THE WAY THEY DEMOCRATS WAITED, THE WAY THEY HELD ON TO — ALL OF THE HELD ON TO — ALL OF THE PROCEDURAL ISSUES, ALL OF THE PROCEDURAL ISSUES, ALL OF THE FACTUAL ISSUES, IT SEEMS TO ME FACTUAL ISSUES, IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU WERE ADVISING A POLITICAL IF YOU WERE ADVISING A POLITICAL PARTY WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW, I PARTY’S PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE NO MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE NO REALLY GOOD OPTIONS FOR THEM REALLY GOOD OPTIONS FOR THEM RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM? WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM?>>WELL, THERE IS ONE OPTION>>WELL, THERE IS ONE OPTION THEY CAN’T WALK AWAY FROM. THEY CAN’T WALK AWAY FROM. THIS IS WHERE KIND OF CULTURALLY THIS IS WHERE KIND OF CULTURALLY AND POLITICALLY THE WORLDS ARE AND POLITICALLY THE WORLDS ARE COLLIDING. COLLIDING. IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT THE IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT THE SUBHEAD OF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT SUBHEAD OF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT IS IT’S TIME TO MEN TO LISTEN. IS IT’S TIME TO MEN TO LISTEN. IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WE’RE NOT EVEN GOING TO LISTEN, WE’RE NOT EVEN GOING TO LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON’T EVEN WANT TO YOU KNOW, WE DON’T EVEN WANT TO HEAR IT OUT, THAT IS A SUICIDAL HEAR IT OUT, THAT IS A SUICIDAL MISSION. MISSION. TO YOUR JOINT, JOE, NOBODY CAN TO YOUR JOINT, JOE, NOBODY CAN KNOW THE FACTS ALTHOUGH TO ME KNOW THE FACTS ALTHOUGH TO ME WHEN SOMEBODY BRINGS UP 25 YEARS WHEN SOMEBODY BRINGS UP 25 YEARS LATER IN A COUPLES THERAPY LATER IN A COUPLES THERAPY SESSION SOMETHING YOU KIND OF SESSION SOMETHING YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BELIEVE IT AND THEN HAVE TO BELIEVE IT AND THEN TAKES A POLYGRAPH TEST, BUT THAT TAKES A POLYGRAPH TEST, BUT THAT ASIDE I WOULD HATE TO BE ANY ASIDE I WOULD HATE TO BE ANY REPUBLICAN GOING FORWARD IN REPUBLICAN GOING FORWARD IN THEIR CREATION, NOT JUST IN THIS THEIR CREATION, NOT JUST IN THIS ELECTION THAT WILL STAND UP AND ELECTION THAT WILL STAND UP AND SAY, NO, WE WEREN’T EVEN WILLING SAY, NO, WE WEREN’T EVEN WILLING TO LISTEN. TO LISTEN. THAT WOULD BE GOING AGAINST AN THAT WOULD BE GOING AGAINST AN ENTIRE SOCIETAL WAVE THAT IS ENTIRE SOCIETAL WAVE THAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR CULTURE, THAT HAPPENING IN OUR CULTURE, THAT IS GOING AGAINST AN ENTIRE IS GOING AGAINST AN ENTIRE GENDER REBOOT OF WHO WE ARE AND GENDER REBOOT OF WHO WE ARE AND ONCE AGAIN, AND TO JOHN’S ONCE AGAIN, AND TO JOHN’S EARLIER POINT, BOY, IF YOU LOOK EARLIER POINT, BOY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDTERMS WOMEN IN EVERY AT THE MIDTERMS WOMEN IN EVERY POLL ARE SAYING THAT WOMEN WILL POLL ARE SAYING THAT WOMEN WILL BE COMING OUT IN DROVES AND I BE COMING OUT IN DROVES AND I THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT ALSO STARTS TO NOT ONLY THE THAT ALSO STARTS TO NOT ONLY THE HOUSE IS GONE, WILL PUT THE HOUSE IS GONE, WILL PUT THE SENATE IN RILE, REAL, REAL, REAL SENATE IN RILE, REAL, REAL, REAL PLAY. PLAY. IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE TONE DEAF IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE TONE DEAF HERE IT WILL BE A DEATH SPIRAL HERE IT WILL BE A DEATH SPIRAL FOR THEM. FOR THEM.>>AND, DONNY, I SAID THIS GOES>>AND, DONNY, I SAID THIS GOES EVEN BEYOND THE ME TOO MOVEMENT. EVEN BEYOND THE ME TOO MOVEMENT. IF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT HAD NEVER IF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT HAD NEVER HAPPENED REPUBLICANS WOULD STILL HAPPENED REPUBLICANS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO READ THEIR POLL BE ABLE TO READ THEIR POLL NUMBERS AND SEE HOW POORLY THEY NUMBERS AND SEE HOW POORLY THEY WERE DOING WITH WOMEN BECAUSE OF WERE DOING WITH WOMEN BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. SO, AGAIN, HOW DOES LISA SO, AGAIN, HOW DOES LISA MURKOWSKI, HOW DOES SUSAN MURKOWSKI, HOW DOES SUSAN COLLINS, HOW DOES ANY REPUBLICAN COLLINS, HOW DOES ANY REPUBLICAN SENATOR THAT HOPES TO GET SENATOR THAT HOPES TO GET EDUCATED, NOT JUST — NOT JUST EDUCATED, NOT JUST — NOT JUST COLLEGE EDUCATED, BUT ANY WOMEN COLLEGE EDUCATED, BUT ANY WOMEN WHO CARE ABOUT THE ISSUE OF WHO CARE ABOUT THE ISSUE OF CHOICE, HOW DO YOU CAST THAT CHOICE, HOW DO YOU CAST THAT VOTE? VOTE? I HATE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO IT, I HATE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO IT, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. NOW. THEY WILL FOREVER BE BRANDED AS THEY WILL FOREVER BE BRANDED AS CASTING THEIR VOTE FOR A MAN WHO CASTING THEIR VOTE FOR A MAN WHO HAS A CLOUD OVER HIS HEAD, NO HAS A CLOUD OVER HIS HEAD, NO MATTER HOW FAIR OR UNFAIR THAT MATTER HOW FAIR OR UNFAIR THAT IS, AND THAT SUPREME COURT IS, AND THAT SUPREME COURT NOMINEE WILL BE THE DECIDING NOMINEE WILL BE THE DECIDING VOTE ON ROE v. WADE. VOTE ON ROE v. WADE. THE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPUBLICANS THE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPUBLICANS LONG-TERM WITH WOMEN ESPECIALLY LONG-TERM WITH WOMEN ESPECIALLY COULD BE DEVASTATING. COULD BE DEVASTATING.>>THIS IS A MOMENT IN TIME,>>THIS IS A MOMENT IN TIME, JOE, YOU USED THE WORD BRANDING. JOE, YOU USED THE WORD BRANDING. THE REPUBLICANS, THE COWARDICE THE REPUBLICANS, THE COWARDICE OF THEM IF THEY ARE SMART OF THEM IF THEY ARE SMART THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF PULL UP THEIR BIG BOY OR GIRL PULL UP THEIR BIG BOY OR GIRL PANTS AT THIS POINT, UNDERSTAND PANTS AT THIS POINT, UNDERSTAND THEY WILL BE BRANDED FOREVER. THEY WILL BE BRANDED FOREVER. ALL OF THE CHICKENS ARE GOING TO ALL OF THE CHICKENS ARE GOING TO COME TO ROOST AND ALL OF THESE COME TO ROOST AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN QUIET, WHO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN QUIET, WHO HAVE STOOD BY THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE STOOD BY THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. PAY FOR IT. THIS IS A MOMENT IN TIME AND IF THIS IS A MOMENT IN TIME AND IF THEY HIDE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME THEY HIDE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME THE REST OF THEIR POLITICAL THE REST OF THEIR POLITICAL CAREERS WILL PAY. CAREERS WILL PAY. I HOPE THERE IS REPUBLICANS I HOPE THERE IS REPUBLICANS LISTENING, THIS IS NOT A GRAYISH LISTENING, THIS IS NOT A GRAYISH U, THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE. U, THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE. AT THE VERY LEAST YOU NEED TO AT THE VERY LEAST YOU NEED TO SAY, NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO NOT SAY, NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO NOT HERE. HERE. WE NEED TO LISTEN. WE NEED TO LISTEN. I BELIEVE KAVANAUGH IS DEAD AT I BELIEVE KAVANAUGH IS DEAD AT THIS POINT. THIS POINT. I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF HE WAS I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF HE WAS EVER A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. EVER A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.>>MIKA, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT>>MIKA, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT WHAT SOME REPUBLICANS SAID ABOUT WHAT SOME REPUBLICANS SAID ABOUT AL FRANKEN, FOR INSTANCE. AL FRANKEN, FOR INSTANCE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT>>WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT ALLEGATIONS THAT AL FRANKEN ALLEGATIONS THAT AL FRANKEN DENIED. DENIED.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND YOU START ADDING THAT UP>>AND YOU START ADDING THAT UP AND YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT’S AND YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IT SEEMS TO ME THEY ARE IN A VERY SEEMS TO ME THEY ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION. DIFFICULT POSITION. MITCH McCONNELL AT SOME POINT HE MITCH McCONNELL AT SOME POINT HE MAY HAVE THE VOTES, BUT AT SOME MAY HAVE THE VOTES, BUT AT SOME POINT MITCH McCONNELL MAY HAVE POINT MITCH McCONNELL MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS ALREADY BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS ALREADY HISTORICALLY UNPOPULAR PICK. HISTORICALLY UNPOPULAR PICK.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK>>YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK QUITE SOME TIME TO FIND ANOTHER QUITE SOME TIME TO FIND ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS AS UNPOPULAR AS HE ONE THAT WAS AS UNPOPULAR AS HE WAS. WAS. MITCH McCONNELL HAS TO START MITCH McCONNELL HAS TO START ASKING HIMSELF DO WE WANT TO ASKING HIMSELF DO WE WANT TO STAND BY BRETT KAVANAUGH, STAND BY BRETT KAVANAUGH, POSSIBLY LOSE THE SENATE, OR DO POSSIBLY LOSE THE SENATE, OR DO WE JUST GO TO THE FEDERALIST WE JUST GO TO THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY, HAVE THEM PICK ANOTHER SOCIETY, HAVE THEM PICK ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE JURIST AND PUT HIM CONSERVATIVE JURIST AND PUT HIM OR HER — OR HER –>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>– OR HER — WOULDN’T BE A>>– OR HER — WOULDN’T BE A BAD IDEA — A HER UP FOR BAD IDEA — A HER UP FOR NOMINATION TO THE SUPREME COURT. NOMINATION TO THE SUPREME COURT.>>THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS>>THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS PERHAPS NOT TO CONFIRM BRETT PERHAPS NOT TO CONFIRM BRETT KAVANAUGH, BUT IF THE DEMS PLAY KAVANAUGH, BUT IF THE DEMS PLAY REALLY DIRTY ON THIS I DON’T REALLY DIRTY ON THIS I DON’T THINK THAT’S GOOD FOR POLITICS THINK THAT’S GOOD FOR POLITICS AND FOR BOTH SIDES. AND FOR BOTH SIDES. IT’S WHAT WE’RE DEALING WITH IN IT’S WHAT WE’RE DEALING WITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE.>>>STILL AHEAD, THERE ARE 50>>>STILL AHEAD, THERE ARE 50 DAYS UNTIL THE MIDTERMS AND NEW DAYS UNTIL THE MIDTERMS AND NEW POLLING SHOWS TIGHT SENATE RACES POLLING SHOWS TIGHT SENATE RACES IN TWO STATES DONALD TRUMP WON IN TWO STATES DONALD TRUMP WON BY DOUBLE DIGITS IN 2016. BY DOUBLE DIGITS IN 2016. WE’RE DIGGING INTO THOSE NUMBERS WE’RE DIGGING INTO THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL AS NEW CONCERNS FOR THE

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